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[#] Tue Jul 08 2008 09:57:59 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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possession is 9/10ths of the law.

[#] Tue Jul 08 2008 10:33:23 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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but that last tenth is a bitch.

[#] Tue Jul 08 2008 23:15:44 EDT from shazam @ Uncensored

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There is no one else who can (or is willing to) claim ownership of my camera.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 05:41:27 EDT from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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Unless you registered the camera for warrante coverage, and try to get the repairs done under warrante, no one will ever be the wiser.  (Unless there s some tag on it that states, "I'm stolen")
Wed Jul 09 2008 03:15:44 UTC from shazam@uncnsrd (Uncensored)

There is no one else who can (or is willing to) claim ownership of my camera.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 09:57:15 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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"This is the license plate of the truck I fell off of."

[#] Mon Jul 21 2008 10:19:23 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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This is weird. I just went to leave feedback for somebody on ebay and I got this message:
"Buyers, you can no longer recieve negative or neutral feedback from sellers. You should leave honest and accurate Feedback without the fear of receiving negative or neutral ratings."

I'm not sure I see the point. The fear of getting negative feedback as a result of sending bad feedback?

[#] Mon Jul 21 2008 10:22:30 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I think that's the issue.

Some people are afraid to say anything negative about a seller because the seller may leave negative feedback against the buyer, reducing the buyer's credibility for selling items.

The sad thing is that sellers can be abused by buyers, too.

I think they need a better system for handling this, one that separates feedback into two forms, one for buying, and one for selling.

[#] Mon Jul 21 2008 11:16:26 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yeah, that makes more sense. I think the idea that you can leave feedback good or bad is obviously good. And really, if you have 1000 good and 2 bad, I think it's safe to say the 2 were whiners or problem people with unrealistic expectations or something like that.
They do have a link for "was there a problem with this transaction?"
So I'm guessing they've worked out some other means of problem resolution, but to hobble the feedback scheme seems like the wrong way to go.

[#] Mon Jul 21 2008 12:23:32 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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there can also be a negative transaction for other reasons - even if the person's not a whiner - eg if the postoffice screws up or if something breaks on the way, people can blame the seller even if the seller isn't a "bad" seller.


[#] Mon Jul 21 2008 13:18:16 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, there are assholes everywhere. I think the system tries to account for that as well as it can.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 02:35:59 EDT from Magus @ Uncensored

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The problem is that it not only has to account for the assholes, but they try to account for eople who are going to whine about the way the system affects them, and the like. You can't account for all the "someone could"s, unfortunately.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 02:49:19 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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well, they account for cases where an issue got resolved

and there's the fact that the comments have to have CONTENT. If the content is "bad seller, acted dumb,"  you don't give it the same credence as "advertised pearl jewelry, turned out to be plastic barbie jewelry"

[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 09:22:39 EDT from shazam @ Uncensored

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I was always very wary of leaving negative feedback because I didn't want to receive negative feedback. But I've since learned to not do business with anyone who has a rating below 99.5%, and since making that decision I have literally never had a problem with any eBay transactions. Not that it's foolproof, obviously, but it does help. Also, when there's negative feedback on your seller, check to see if the seller responded. A seller who tries to fix problems is much better to do business with than one who ignores the customers.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2008 22:09:49 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I have witnessed the power of ebay. And greed.

I was selling my old treo 650 for $50, it sold for $100.
It is NOT worth $100.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2008 01:40:11 EDT from demonstalker @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I have been selling on eBay for roughly the last eight years. My feedback score is 5750 and my percentage is exactly 99%.

It USED to be 99.6% but as of May 20 2008 eBay changed the rules. Instead of counting all unique feedbacks from "day one" when figuring the percentage, they now count only the preceeding 12 months.

Also, in figuring the percentage, eBay now counts a NEUTRAL the same as a NEGATIVE.

Percentage = (total unique POSITIVES) / (Positives + Neutrals + Negatives)

Not being able to leave negatives for buyers allows the following scenario:

1. buyer wins item
2. buyer emails seller saying "unless you ... (fill in your own blank) I will leave you a negative" We call this "feedback extortion" and it is supposedly against eBay's rules, but eBay seems to be doing NOTHING about it. And please note that the buyer can leave this negative WITHOUT EVER PAYING for the item in question.

The other favorite scam that some crooked buyers on eBay like to pull is this...

1. they bid and win the item, then pay for it using Paypal, the item is shipped and arrives.
2. buyer then files a "Significantly Not As Described" (SNAD) complaint with Paypal, goes through the Paypal dispute process, Paypal tells the buyer to return the item to the seller at which point buyer ships a box back to the seller (with tracking/delivery confirmation as required by Paypal), seller receives the box, signs for it, takes it home, opens it, to discover that teh buyer sent back... A BRICK (or something of similar weight to the item the buyer kept fraudulently).
3. buyer has his money back; seller is out money AND item; buyer then posts negative feedback against the seller,
seller can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it.

Nice, eh?

That's why over 10,000 major sellers on eBay have LEFT over the past 4 months, with many many more considering leaving as things do not seem to be getting any better.

This all started when that jackass John Donoho (sp?) took over from Meg Whitman as head idiot. We thought Whitman was bad. Now everyone wishes she'd never left.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2008 03:54:50 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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I'm always amazed at how nasty unscrupulous people can be.

Then again, I'm the type to go back and correct someone who gave me too much change. (especially in a place like the supermarket where the cashier's going to pay for it out of pocket if they messed up.)

[#] Wed Jul 23 2008 09:24:03 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Glad I decided never to get involved with eBay. That all looks quite bad.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2008 10:40:30 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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True though it may be, what percentage of cases is that?
Crime happens all over the world, ebay is required to be a utopia?
You've never had your CC number stolen? you've never been ripped off by a service provider and gotten no compensation?
Why is there some lofty expectation that ebay is free from the effects of bad people?
Certainly if anything, there's a market here for 'bad buyer fraud insurance.'

[#] Wed Jul 23 2008 10:49:56 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I buy lots of stuff off of ebay. Overall, it's been a very positive experience.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2008 10:52:42 EDT from shazam @ Uncensored

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Ford, that's an excellent idea. I wonder if I can sell bad buyer fraud insurance on eBay? But really. Maybe this is going to be my get-rich-quick scheme? Ever since I started working in a real job, I've come to recognize the possible benefits of getting-rich-quick. Selling insurance should be a no-brainer. You colect cash, and go retire.

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