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[#] Wed Dec 31 1969 18:59:59 EST from Pietas @ Feathers & Furballs

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Andrea: Good luck ... it was pulled not only from printings but from distribution, but you may find it in a library I suppose.

[#] Wed Dec 31 1969 18:59:59 EST from Colin Wolfe @ JACS

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I've been reading "Forgotten Fatherland" subtitled "The search for Elisabeth Nietzsche." Fascinating: a journalist looking for Nueva Germania, an idealized racial colony in the wilds of Paraguay. The writer is quite sympathetic to F. Nietzsche, Elisabeth's brother, whose name was used totally in error, in his view, by his sister and the Nazis.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 14:06:00 EDT from Colin Wolfe @ JACS

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Anyone read Louis Auchincloss? A good writer of NY's "upper" classes -- the old WASP circles, anyhow. But far from a hack in a specialized genre, his books vary a lot -- in character, in tone, in tales. I'm getting to like him more.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 16:45:00 EDT from goobies @ The HUB

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Colin Wolfe! You still around! I am reading a very detailed account of the behing the scenes activities in Frank Sinatra's recording sessions. CW--you gonna be in New York in May, by chance, this year?

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 21:10:00 EDT from forrest @ JACS

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Norma has read all the Harry Potter books twice, and she's also reading them to her 4th grade class. I found out recently that my sister has also read the series, along with a few othemembers of the family. This is a very popular series.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 19:00:00 EDT from Colin Wolfe @ JACS

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Possibly, goobies, possibly. I have no schedule yet set for May...

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 02:48:00 EDT from goobies @ The HUB

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CW. It's a long ways away. But the weather should be good enough in Gotham for moving images to be captured.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 19:16:00 EDT from Colin Wolfe @ JACS

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Hi goobies! Got the call! No current plans for the month you mention. I've been very busy lately -- at auditions yesterday, viewing potential actors for my plays. (It's strange not being the director, hey.) We'll talk soon.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 21:13:00 EDT from goobies @ The HUB

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Read Andre Previn's book about when he was a composer in Hollywood.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 08:55:00 EDT from l'etranger @ Rundale

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Another Hollywood Babylon tale, I assume?

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 20:00:00 EDT from l'etranger @ Rundale

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Hitchhikers deteriorates badly over the series.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 22:03:00 EDT from Colin Wolfe @ JACS

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I'm reading Shakespeare's sonnets. I'm wondering why I've never liked them in general, despite their brilliant writing, and want to find out why.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 16:17:00 EDT from goobies @ The HUB

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CW. You going to be in NYC by chance in early May? Let me know in this room.
Okay?

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 17:21:00 EDT from l'etranger @ Rundale

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Those kinds of books -- books on perverts - don't interest me. I don't understand the fascination, really. I suppose some people view it as a potential of all people inside, and some control and dominate it, but in others, it dominates.
I don't know. Either way, I'm morei nterested in people working out problems that have some association with my concerns... whether romance or career or family or what. But a perverted loner? Not for me.

[#] Sat Apr 08 2000 04:08:00 EDT from l'etranger @ Rundale

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Hopefully there is a confluence between what one likes and what is good. If not, moderation is recommended -- as in eating! If one likes to eat good food, there's nothing to be concerned with, but if your tastes run to the crass, you need to moderate what you eat. I'd say the same is true for the foods of the mind, and what is "fun" may not prove a good or sufficient diet.

But I was responding to the idea of the "ten best books" which is, of course, a very different list than "my ten favorite books." And the 20C was another limitation.

Natalie, you should give Christie a read. She actually does a lot with character.
With Sayers, I think it is less character than a worldview that is interesting.
I mean, there is nothing particularly interesting in either Lord Peter nor Harriet Vane -- and they certainly do not develop in the sense that a character in a drama develops. They are rather stock characters in the Sayers universe.
But it is a very interesting universe, at least sometimes. I also appreciate the dismissal of that universe -- that aristocrat-pandering mindset -- by people like Christopher Isherwood. Now his Berlin Stories, that's worth reading!

My favorites from the 20C? Hm. It depends somewhat on my age at a given time. Some that have stood out that still stand out are:
The Lord Of The Rings
The Great Gatsby
The Sun Also Rises
The Big Sleep
The Men And The Girls (Joanna Trollope is a descendent of Anthony Trollope and a prescient writer, IMO.)
Cakes And Ale (to pick one Somerset Maugham, I like most of his work a lot.)
Steppenwolf (but I prefer Hesse's poetry)
The King Of Elfland's Daughter
Stranger In a Strange Land
The House At Pooh Corner
(Wind In The Willows belongs in there, but I'm not sure if it was written in the last decade of the 19th or the first decade of the 20th C.)

I've been impressed by the wonderful evolution (until recently) of the children's story, especially in England in the early part of the century. And I'm also impressed by the recent turn to novels written in verse, such as G. Keithley's "The Donner Party" (grim but excellent), Vikram Seth's "The Golden Gate" (in rigorous tetrameter sonnets, but a tour de force, just wonderful to read), and Derke Walcott's "Omeros" (the hardest of the 3 to read, but rewarding.)

[#] Sun Apr 09 2000 00:38:06 EDT from Natalie @ PixelBBS

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That's funny you don't see the character development in the mysteries of Sayers. The LordPeter list just finished reading them all in publication order, and there is definitely character developmet.
Peter becomes much less the shallow aristo as the series develops, and Harriet becomes much less a mystery, IMO, of course.

I just don't beleive in reading literary spinach, that's all. Why waste my time reading books I'm not going to enjoy but that somoene thinks I should read, when there are books out there that I am going to enjoy? Life is short enough as it is, and I'd much rather read the worst book that Robertson Davies wrote than the best one Faulkner wrote. Faulkner doesn't resonate with me; DAvies does--as does Sayers, Byatt, and the others I mentioned.

In other book news, I borrowed a copy of the New Aaron Elkins (_Skeleton Dance_) this evening, so I'll be spending tomorrow reading all about Gideon Oliver in France, lookingat nice dry bones.

[#] Fri Apr 14 2000 20:05:00 EDT from Colin Wolfe @ JACS

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I just read Gigi by Collette. Good book...

[#] Thu Apr 20 2000 13:22:00 EDT from l'etranger @ Rundale

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Once upon a time, when the sweet bird of youth possessed my limbs and mind -- when I was in my early 20's -- I was a Lord Peter fan. A friend who went to England brought me back the series, and I read most ofthem and in order - up to Gaudy Night, which I have tried to get through more than once, but never can. With Gaudy Night, the tenor ofthe series changed entirely. Oh, it needed to: Five Red Herrings, for instance, was too much of a set piece.
I think the two types were blended almost successfully in Busman's Honeymoon.
I particularly liked her articulation of the world of the time -- a somewhat pleasing antidote for the so-called realism which was ruling then (and which never struck me as being particularly "realistic.") I liked her with medical plots: Whose Body and Unpleasantness (yes, unpleasantness: real people in that one.) And Clouds of Witness is a great romp, with great twists, and continually returning to honor (a major issue with her then.) Murder Must Advertise was nicely barbed, but Peter seemed a bit mercenary to me in that -- the reasons for his involvement at the level somewhat questionable (though I may not remember it well enough any more.) I later appreciated Isherwood's denunciation of people, oh so righteous, who stick their nose into other people's pain and business meaning these aristo sleuths who were popular back before the Crash. Well, it's by me now.

Have you seen the TV series with Ian Carmichael as Lord Peter? Some were quite good. He was too old for the part, but he had a pixie energy or something that worked well.

[#] Thu Apr 20 2000 23:48:51 EDT from Natalie @ PixelBBS

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I don't do the video adaptations. I have a mental picture of Lord Peter in my head, and I've seen pictures of Carmichael (I actually have the series tie-in of Five Red Herrings--which is the only DLS I've not finished), and he doesn't fit.
I really enjoy Busman's Honeymonn a *lot*--I may actually prefer it to Gaudy Night at the point, if only because it's a bit less heavy in tone. And I think the infernal devices <g> is funny as all get-out.
Have you read The Nine Tailors? I enjoy that one a lot, too, and apparently Sayers really captures the fens in it (I've not been to England or the dens so I don't know).--I do know that one shows up on non-mystery reading lists quite frequently.
We were recently discussing what would be the best Sayers to teach in a college course, and the majority of folks thought that either Whose Body or Bellona Club would be best, with a strong Murder Must Advertise faction as well. I enjoy Murder Must advertise a *lot* because I work in advertising, and at the agency I currently work, in the lobby, there is a balcony, a skylight, a a catapult displayed fairly prominently (we have a lot of 'outdoor' sorts of clients). I find it highly amusing.

[#] Wed May 10 2000 02:03:00 EDT from Mike Hopkins @ JACS

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There was the Sci-Fi books room too, right? What was it's exact name?

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