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[#] Sun Feb 22 2004 09:27:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There are a few DVD players (all recent models) that have a DVI output and will upconvert their signals to display in HD. It's not true HD, though, as the DVD format is 480i, or 480p at best. These players are still quite expensive though. You might have better luck with a computer, actually.

[#] Sun Feb 22 2004 10:54:42 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Bleah...oh, well...

I've not seen many video cards with composite video outputs.

Guess I'll live with it, for now. Oy.

[#] Sun Feb 22 2004 15:15:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You don't want composite out. You want DVI out.

[#] Sun Feb 22 2004 23:04:20 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I don't think I have DVI most, I have S-Video and Composite.

[#] Tue Feb 24 2004 00:13:18 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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Isn't S-Video capable of handling HDTV signals? I thought it was, for some reason, and there are a number of (primarly nVidia) PC graphics cards with S-Video out ports ... There also are a bunch of cards out with DVI-out ports, as well.

[#] Tue Feb 24 2004 00:29:08 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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S-Video is not HDTV. S-Video is merely separate luminance and chrominance signals -- it's still analog NTSC.

HDTV is *always* digital. Some HDTV's also have an SVGA input so you can plug a computer into them, but any equipment designed for HDTV is going to have DVI connectors.

Oh, and there's DRM up the wazoo on most of this stuff. Nearly all newer displays feed an HDCP copy-protection signal back to the video source, which certifies to the source that it is, in fact, only a display and not a recording device.

[#] Tue Mar 02 2004 20:38:27 EST from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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I know this subject has been hashed in the past but I would really appreciate some suggestions for a *good* digital camera in the under $500 range. (Sony mavica type stuff - cheap but still good quality... if there is such a thing) Thanks in advance.

[#] Tue Mar 02 2004 20:41:35 EST from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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oops, just found the Shutterbugs room. Maybe it would be better to place that post there.....

[#] Mon Mar 29 2004 16:10:42 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Not to dispute IG, but this is the first I've heard of DVI being used to carry HDTV. Neat!

Up until now, I always thought you needed component video to handle HDTV signals. From what I understand, though, you need four things in place to have HDTV.

1. An HDTV source program. If I remember correctly, this specifically means you need something encoded as 720 progressive scan lines (720p), or 1080p.
Though 480p will be better than 480i (interlaced, or standard NTSC), it's not "true" HDTV.

2. A DVD player capable of reading and outputting a progressive scan signal.
If you've got component video outputs, or a DVI connector (thanks IG!), then you're probably good to go.

3. An HDTV receiver. Though I'm a little fuzzy on this, you may only need this if you want to view HDTV broadcast or cable programs.

4. An HDTV-capable monitor (duh!). Again, if your TV has component video or DVI inputs, then you may be good to go.

This is just what I've gathered from reading articles in the A/V magazines and grilling the sales guys at the local high-end A/V store. I haven't actually experimented with HDTV yet, though I would love to have a nice 40+" HD-ready plasma TV! :)
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[#] Mon Mar 29 2004 17:43:48 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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DVD is not a high-definition format. There are a few players out there that will upconvert the frames and output them on a digital wire, but obviously it can't create more resolution than was already on the disc.

There are currently two formats competing to be the "next generation" of video discs: Blu-Ray, and HD-DVD. They both do basically the same thing, but are backed by different organizations. Both will have enough capacity to fit a high-def movie on one disc, and both will have players that output in true HDTV format.

And of course we may expect even *more* draconian DRM on this stuff, so I'm not really in a hurry to see either format go to market soon.

[#] Mon Mar 29 2004 17:47:28 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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Q: Is there anything within the current DRM schema to prevent one from, say, recording a HDTV stream on a DVR (e.g., Tivo), then recording the playback stream onto DVD/HD-DVD from the DVR? As I understood it, the current DRM schema is set up so that it will prevent recording of a HDTV stream from an HDTV source onto DVDs/VCs but I wasn't quite clear as to whether DVR devices also were so precluded from being able to record the stream.

[#] Wed Mar 31 2004 12:15:36 EST from Campagnolo @ Uncensored

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A few "HDTV" points:
1. DVDs with "anamorphic" format will resize the "letterbox" for 16:9 format.
2. Progressive scan DVD players need a component connection to the TV in order to take advantage of it. S and Composite will work. Many of these players also have a setting in their menus to set the monitor/tv size that you are connected to.
3. You CAN* get HDTV TV's that are 4:3 format! HD is a resolution and broadcast standard, not* a format standard. The 16:9 format is the most common in order to "fit" the "letter box" format used in movie houses. (I think letter box is 14:9).
Most 4:3 HDTV's are labeled HDTV "ready", "compatable", or other similar nameing. With the right receiver they will accept the digital input and generate a 16:9 frame.
4. Be careful what you view on your HDTV. While screen technology is advancing, there are still a LOT of monitors/tvs out there that will burn black bars onto the sides of your viewing area if the majority of your viewing is 4:3 format. You are better off letting the monitor/tv re-format the input to fit the screen. Yes, you will get streatching, but for general tv viewing you should get used to it. The same goes for viewing 14:9 letterbox movies. the black bar moves to the top and bottom, but it may also leave a permenent scar. RTFM and YMMV. I got lucky, The HDTV we just got (RCA 34" Direct View) has a setting that automatically detects the input format and resizes on the fly to fill the screen.

[#] Wed Mar 31 2004 12:17:52 EST from Campagnolo @ Uncensored

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AFAIK you can get DVDR's that work similar to the TIVO's. I know that Dish Network offers a satallite receiver w/ DVDR.

[#] Wed Mar 31 2004 12:54:20 EST from Ygorl @ Uncensored

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I believe those are DVRs (Digital Video Recorders), not DVDRs. TIVO is basically a heavily branded DVR.

[#] Wed Mar 31 2004 15:27:43 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I set my 16:9 wide screen system to do "Theater Wide 1" when the natural mode is not 1080i HD. Keeps the bars from showing up on the sides of the image.

[#] Wed Mar 31 2004 15:08:50 EST from IO ERROR @ Uncensored

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Which types of HDTV's are susceptible to this burn-in and which are not? This is one of the big things that is keeping me from buying an HDTV right now.

[#] Wed Mar 31 2004 17:19:18 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Good HDTV sets offer a mode that stretches the image more at the edges than in the center, so you don't end up seeing images where everyone appears to be as wide as Camryn Manheim normally looks.

Really, they should have made provisions for "cropping coordinates" in the HDTV standard. So if you're watching it on a non-wide screen, the downconverter would know where to crop each frame. This would have provided the optimal viewing experience while eliminating the need to offer separate 4:3 and 16:9 formats.

[#] Tue Apr 06 2004 17:37:35 EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Re: HDTV and DRM.

From what I understand, modern DVR's are supposed to prevent you from making a digital copy of an HDTV program if that program specifies no copying. I believe that Macrovision is also used to prevent copies from being made off of the analog video outputs. I don't know if the source program needs to be recorded with Macrovision, or whether the DVR's can generate it on the fly.
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[#] Tue Apr 06 2004 17:55:39 EDT from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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Ok, I've got an interesting problem that I'm looking for advice on.

I had recorded SciFi Channel's "Battlestar Galactica" miniseries onto my DVR, and then, in a royal fit of stupidity, erased it. So I found a copy on BitTorrent, but it's a PAL recording with a frame size of 720x336. I'm going to keep searching to see if I can find an NTSC encoded version, but in the meantime, I've been using Windows Media Encoder 9 to try and re-encode the video so I can burn it onto DVD (using Roxio's DVD Builder).

At first, I started re-encoding at 30 frames per second (fps) with a frame size of 1080x720, but it was taking forever to process, so I cancelled that.
Then, I tried encoding at 30 fps, 640x480. This took less time, but the resulting output was squeezed horizontally; circles came out looking like eggs, etc. I then found a way to override the canned profiles and set the frame size to 720x480, but the video still comes out slightly squeezed, though not as bad as the 640x480 output.

I've been trying to encode to a vertical resolution of 480 because, if I remember correctly, NTSC (which is my desired output format) has 480 scan lines. I realize that this is more scan lines that the original was encoded with, and I can live with that, but I'd really like the aspect ratio to be correct. Windows Media Encoder doesn't seem to have a place to do resizing (only cropping). Is there another program that can do what I want? Am I going about this the wrong way? Will I just have to eat crow and live with some stretching/squeezing? Or should I just bite the bullet and crop it?
Ideally, I'd love to turn the full-screen 720x336 video into a letterboxed 720x480, that way, there's no stretching or squeezing and no futzing with the resolution because I'll just be adding 72 scan lines of black on top and bottom.

Suggestions? Questions? Sushi?
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[#] Wed Apr 07 2004 03:43:16 EDT from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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Speaking of Macrovision, I now own a DVD that I can't play on my computer b/c my DVD Player doesn't have Macrovision installed in it. =b (And I don't own a regular DVD-player---play everything on the 'puter).

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