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[#] Tue Aug 02 2016 13:27:37 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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The expected life span of an appliance is seven to ten years now.  Gone are the days of things lasting.  We are a consumerist society. 

With the short life spans I can not understand why someone wants to purchase a high end model.  They have all these foolish features that don't justify the price/lifespan.  I laugh that they have clothes dryers that mist the clothes as they dry.

My mother is looking for a new refrigerator.  The current one works, it has issues.  She wants a new one before it fails.

[#] Tue Aug 02 2016 21:11:41 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Picked up a LG dishwasher. I happen to like it a lot as the old one was a disaster. But now I wonder just how long it might survive.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 05:50:31 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Our LG washer still washes fine, the motor is rather silent because of this "direct drive" feature.

But the support insulted me, mocked me, was condescending and in general full of the most vile assholes I ever witnessed on any support place. It was as if their sole purpose was to piss off customers even more. And a quick research revealed, that I was not the only one with this experience.

I have a LG bluray player, which died shortly after being purchased, too. That might have been caused by a weird power circuit in the living room, which I then fixed. The "repair" of the bluray player took over a month, but they just send me a new one. It was replaced with a Marantz UD5005.

So, while the products are ok from the feature point of view and they last a bit, I solely hate them for their shitty support and the time I "lost" while dealing with them. I try to make up for my anger by giving them a bad reputation.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 09:36:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I had an LG washer and dryer for 10 years. Just replaced with another

pair from LG. The old washer had the control board fry and they don't

make the replacement any longer.

Replaced both of them? Does the washer-dryer pair have fault propagation to guarantee they both fail at the same time? :) (Yes I know, the wife won't tolerate an appliance pair that don't look like twins.)

I have one of those LG direct drive models and it's been running for about four years now, I think. The words "10 year warranty" are silkscreened right onto the front of the appliance so that's probably when it will break. My non computer controlled Kenmore dryer, on the other hand (my wife doesn't care that they don't match) is 21 years old, very repairable, and I hope to keep it going for decades.

"Connected appliances" are going to be even more fun. I predict that within the next ten years (maybe sooner) there will be a scandal uncovered by someone who disassembles a connected appliance's microcode, or unpacks the network traffic, and discovers that the appliance verifies that the warranty has expired before initiating a self-destruct function at a random date during the following 12 months.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 12:30:18 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Maybe your wife will put up with a non-matching set. Mine will not. They've changed the bases on them, and the front panels. They look significantly different.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 13:17:11 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Look at the wife and ask "Does it wash??" "Does that one dry?" Be grateful! What's the problem?

<laughs> I know better. But still.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 13:19:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I know, it just seems wasteful to throw away a working appliance just because it doesn't match another one.  Most homes don't have them on display in a high-traffic area of the house.

This is what my laundry room looks like when no one is doing laundry:

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And this is what it looks like when we are actually using the machines:

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So there's our 1995 dryer next to our 2013 washer.  When we bought the new washer and I told my wife that I hope she wasn't expecting the matching dryer to go with it, she looked at me like I was crazy, why would we replace a perfectly good machine.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 14:20:12 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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My mother in law uses the exact same dryer model we had in our house when I was a child. It might be around 35 years old.

And I doubt there are ways you could have made drying clothes more energy efficient in the meantime.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 14:58:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The only real change in that area has been the addition of sensors that shut the dryer off when the job is done, instead of running it for a pre-determined length of time.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 17:14:22 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Yes dryers have sensors and "anti-wrinkle" where they rotate the tub every few minutes to prevent any clothes left in them from wrinkling.  

The new washers are "high efficiency" which uses less water.  You can buy top loaders with this as well.  I don't know how much water they save vs how well they clean.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2016 22:38:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Generally, a "high efficiency" washer (or dishwasher) will use less water and energy, but the tradeoff is that they take forever to complete a cycle.

[#] Thu Aug 04 2016 02:21:49 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Ah, yes anti-wrinkle and a sensor for dryness might be nice. But I guess that energy saving margin does not justify building and buying a new one.

Our dish washer is a new, energy and watersaving one. Takes 3h to complete a wash in eco mode. The watersaving is done by reusing the water from the previous run. If you do not use it regularly, I guess that opens an opportunity for ugly stuff, like maybe legionella.

[#] Thu Aug 04 2016 15:58:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It doesn't matter whether it works well or not.

The government, at least over here, sets a bunch of ridiculous energy efficiency targets. The manufacturers then have to re-engineer the machines to hit those targets. The problem is, in doing so they raise the cost of the machine beyond what the market will bear. So then they have to find ways to lower the cost, which usually means lowering the quality of the build.

So you almost always end up with a machine that costs the same as an older one, uses less water/energy, takes longer to run, and will certainly need to be replaced in three years.

[#] Mon Aug 08 2016 02:25:41 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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yeah - my parents bought the simplest American (Maytag) machines in 1998, and they're still in working order. 
DH and I have been forced to buy the European machines (which heat their own water.) because we didn't have the opportunity to bring from the US, nor did we have the space for an American machine (they're much bigger).
We've been married 10 years, and we're on our second washer and 4th dryer. Fortunately, we managed to score an old American dryer now (like older than my parents' machine) which is loud as hell and overheats on the top setting, but otherwise a great machine.


[#] Fri Mar 31 2017 10:13:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Because I tend to ride waaaaay behind the technology curve...

My new laptop arrived yesterday. Not too long ago, I attended a nationwide meeting of all of our senior engineers, and the guy who heads up internal IT noticed that I had a computer that was roughly the size and weight of a paver stone, so he moved me up in the queue for a refresh.

It's an ultrabook, and my first SSD-based computer. It's a bit surreal - no spinning disks, no fans coming on all the time. The hum from my external monitor is the loudest thing in the rig right now. I think I need to put on some music or something.

[#] Sat Apr 01 2017 17:47:03 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Just type harder on clicky keys

[#] Mon Apr 03 2017 08:39:42 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Definitely the way to go.

I think most of them these days also have bluetooth built in, allowing you to set up speakers or headsets or whatever in a clean way.

[#] Mon Apr 03 2017 09:36:14 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Actually, setting up "the rig" is not a problem, because I have a dock. Dell has been excellent about keeping the same dock connector on all laptops for a long time now. I simply dropped it into the dock and my big monitor, clicky keyboard, trackball, speakers, and headphones all came up.

I have a decent headset. It is wireless but non-bluetooth. It's a Plantronics Savi W720. This headset wouldn't have been my first choice from a comfort point of view, but it's reasonably comfortable, and there was one available in the office for the taking. The cool thing about this headset is that the base attaches simultaneously to the computer via USB, to my desktop phone using its headset port, and to my mobile phone using bluetooth (so I guess it technically does have bluetooth, but not to the headset itself).

[#] Mon Apr 03 2017 16:32:52 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Which ultrabook did you get? I've been running a Dell 7370 (a bit of an upgrade from the XPS, but a similar chassis) for about 9 months now. It's decent, but it doesn't feel like a computer if you know what I mean.

[#] Tue Apr 04 2017 09:46:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I have the 7470, which has a 14" screen. My last two laptops had 17" screens so I'm still getting used to it. When it's docked at my desk it is faster than the machine I had before, mainly because of the SSD. On my lap it feels a bit less-than-computer-like, and the small keyboard does slow me down. It's an acceptable compromise considering the light weight. As a daily driver without an external monitor/keyboard it would probably drive me crazy.

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